January 8th, 2010

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Antismokers Speak Out

Never let it be said that I don't give antismokers a hearing. A few days back the Telegraph ran an article by Vicki Woods in support of the campaign to Save Our Pubs and Clubs It attracted about 200 comments. Quite a few were from antismokers. I reproduce a selection of them below, in purple. And I will make no comment about them. They speak eloquently enough for themselves.

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These smokers who feel their liberty is trampled on by dogooders preventing them poisoning the atmosphere of a persons place of work should try practising their habit at home -being sure to not subject their children to the noxious fumes they would like to foist on pub staff and the general pub alike.

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During my formative years while still in UK, I was a victim of the tobacco industry. As a migraine sufferer, I was compelled to shun enclosed areas where there would be tobacco smoke, which in retrospect seriously curtained my social developed.
Now the boot's on the other foot I have no sympathy for smokers, who as a group blighted my life. So suck it up you chain-smoking chumps. Labour alienating smokers including its core supporters has to be a win-win.

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I have been in a state of bliss since the smoking ban was introduced. The pubs are now smoke free and I get down my local about 4 or 5 times a week and have a great time. In fact I have just seen what the time is! bye ...

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It is nice to see how thoughtful smokers have become. All this talk of tolerance is inspiring. How unfortunate they were not like this in the past. Twenty five years ago if you asked someone sitting at a neighbouring table in a restaurant to kindly extinguish their cigarette while you ate your meal they would generally just tell you to f*ck off.

Although their addiction still limits their ability to sympathise with others they are now obliged to listen to non smokers and at least to go through the motions of politely respecting their point of view.

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Better that pubs should die than people.
Before the ban they were vile, stinking places to visit, with the air often impossible for non-smokers to breathe.
I always felt desperately sorry for the staff, presumably glad to have the work and with no other option than to breathe in other people's filth.

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Smokers can have all the freedom in the world to smoke it up... if they accept the attendant responsibility not to poison anyone else (me, for instance). They want the freedom but not the responsibility. They can get lost. Good riddance, they're not missed in the pubs I drink in.

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I had stopped going to pubs and restaurants because of smoking. I was forever being engulfed in smoke whenever someone close by had finished a course and such poor willpower that they were forced to light up.

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Cigarettes kill. Benson&Hedges be laughing on your grave, and my Daddy's :(
If you're a smoker, It's your fault when you die an agonizing death, at great expense to the taxpayer whilst massively profiting an insidious corporation.
Just, don't inflict your disgusting poison on the rest of us! It's hardly a social habit, quite the opposite.
Do you really want your children exposed to, encouraged to partake of this dangerous, carcinogenic, highly addictive drug?
Fair enough if they're ignorant or influenced enough to choose but how about the victims of your foul passive smoke?
To surmise - it's no laughing matter. The executives and major shareholders in tobacco companies should be imprisoned for deliberately proffiting from death.
Instead, a cultural change is needed; So we can all enjoy a pint down the local without toxic fumes ;)

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Just as the days of the opium dens has past perhaps the time is coming for alcohol and nicotine to be left in the past also.I suspect there was alot off upset people who felt it was their right to do opium after it was banned, but the change still happened,and for the best.

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Before the ban I saw many smokers lighting up in the non-smoking section. If I made the slightest complaint, I'd get swearing and even threats of violence.

I once had a severe asthma attack. While gaspng for breath, and waiting for an ambulance, a smoker came up and held a lit cigarette a few inches away from my face.

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Tobacco is a deadly addictive drug that destroys the health of people addicted to it. Surely no-one is going to argue that people should be allowed to use dangerous drugs.
These substances should be illegal with stiff penalties for those caught using them.

This is not about "freedom," it is not "freedom" to be an addict and people should not be "free" to damage their own health.

There is good precedent for the government banning substances that people should not be permitted to use and tobacco should be added to the list of prohibeted substances.

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Of course it's right to ban smoking in public houses. How can you, as some suggest, have some pubs where smoking is allowed and others where it is not? Why should the staff in some be subjected to smoke whether they want it or not?

Why are some pubs so successful still and others fail? Because they are well managed and know who their target market is. If a business just relies on a bunch of chain-smoking and heavy-drinking regulars to survive, then it deserves to fail.

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I have no sympathy for the pubs that have closed due to introduction of the smoking ban. It was obvious right from the announcement of the ban that those pubs had to adapt and be innovative to maintain a customer base and hence their income. Bands, quizzes, bar lunches,etc could have been employed in ensuring that customer numbers were kept up.
Those that failed died. At least now I don't have to throw all my clothes into the washing pile when I come home from the pub now.

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If smokers cannot go without their drugs for a couple of hours to meet their friends and socialise at the local pub, then maybe they need medical treatment. Their filthy habit cannot be defended on any grounds whatsoever.

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Sorry guys...it's time to stop living in the past. Empty your smelly ashtrays, it's time to get out and smell the roses instead of each other's rancid breath. We managed it in Thailand and now revel in the fresh air in public places as diehard puffers are forced outdoors to persue their dirty habit.

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There are people that miss bare knuckle fighting and badger baiting (unfortunately fox hunting is still with us). It just dies out I'm afraid.

Whaddya gonna do?

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Smokers have had their way for longer than any of us can remember. If you are interested in fairness then surely you can appreciate that tt is now time for the preferences of non-smokers to be carried into effect. Out preference is for a ban on smoking in all enclosed public spaces.

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Smoking was allowed in pubs for 100s of years. Now - to be fair - let's have no smoking for a few hundred years and then it can be your turn again in 2310...

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Smokers - face up to the facts. You are addicted to a drug and you can't handle it when you can't feed your addiction whenever and wherever you want. Stop trying to turn it into an issue of 'freedom'. You are not free - you are hooked. Get therapy.

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We don't smoke, get over it.

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Thank you all for participating and responding to my comments. It was a pleasure to wind you all up.