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No Voice, No Rights
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H/T Junican and Chris Snowdon for this ONS study:

ONS is developing new measures of national well-being. The aim is that these new measures will cover the quality of life of people in the UK, environmental and sustainability issues, as well as the economic performance of the country.

To develop better measures of the nation's well-being we want to ask what matters most in people's lives and what is important for measuring the nation's well-being.

I signed up (just name and email address required) and wrote my answer to the following question:

What things in life matter most to you?

The simplest of things in life: to be able to sit in a pub and drink a pint of beer and smoke a cigarette and talk to friends. This simple thing brought pleasure and laughter, and allowed networks of friendships and pub communities to grow and flourish within a shared culture.


It's illegal now to do this, of course. And so the happiness it provided, and the friendship, and the community, and the shared culture have all been crushed. With them also, needless to say, freedom and democracy were also crushed.

There was no indication that the above would be published anywhere, or even considered. Still, no harm done by writing something.

It will almost certainly be ignored. Smokers are people whose opinions are systematically ignored. They have no voice in this 'society'.

Chris Snowdon's piece is tagged 'pretend consultation', and he's almost certainly right. The British people will be found to be deliriously happy about everything.

Along similar lines is Michael Kelly's comment on Stewart Cowan's Facebook page:

Stop defending smokers' rights. They have none.


michael kelly


I took the trouble not only to check the Facebook page, but also to find out a bit more about Michael Kelly:

Michael Kelly - Celtic director (1990-1994)

Michael Kelly is a Scottish politician and businessman. He held the position of Lord Provost from 1980 to 1984, and was Lord Rector of Glasgow University from 1983 to 1987.

It's one thing to hear such vicious sentiments from some anonymous online commenter. It's quite another to hear them from someone who has held a number of senior posts in public life.

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Just a quickie before I retire.

ASH USA put the idea about that smokers demand rights. I have the URL somewhere showing the publication in which ASH said this.

The fact is that smokers have never 'demanded the right' to my knowledge. As I recall, smokers have always respected the right of anyone or any organisation to say 'No Smoking' in their premises. That being the case, one either put up with it or went elsewhere. What this guy has done is to extend the argument that smokers have no right to smoke WHERE THE PROPRIETORS OF A PLACE FORBID IT, into an argument that smokers HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL WHATSOEVER. That is a different thing.

"What things in life matter most to you?"

(Anonymous)
While I'm entirely responsible for what I actually do, I've found that other people are finding new ways to claim that minding my own business has somehow resulted in harming them.

I've always known that my Right to swing my fist ends at the tip of anyone's nose. Because I make a point of not swinging my fist too much to begin with, I truly resent the fact that people are now claiming to have longer noses for the sake of hoping that they can tell me what to do regarding my own life.

The least I can ask for is peace for myself, and I'm entirely willing to reciprocate that peace for others. It's never occurred to me that making life worse for someone else will make life better for me.

So, while I don't wish for loneliness at all, I'm willing to accept loneliness as a price if it means that I can't be accepted by others due to fabricated perceptions.

Re: "What things in life matter most to you?"

(Anonymous)
The antismokers are effectively claiming that society is one incredibly-huge proboscis-type organ – and an antismoking one at that!

And the antismokers squeal: “No-one has a right to smoke!” Actually, smokers have the right to not be persecuted through the use of inflammatory propaganda and deranged [eugenics] ideology.

Magnetic

Re: "What things in life matter most to you?"

(Anonymous)
I have an absolute right to smoke tobacco. Non smokers have an absolute right not to smoke tobacco. Whether antis like it or not doesn't concern me, that's all there is to it hence they are the ones permanently making the running.

On Happiness.

Why is the government even asking? They must have some public policy in mind. Otherwise, why ask? Happiness or overall wellness is not the business of government. There are too many dimensions, many of them private, and the mix of these dimensions is individual.

That it has to ask its constituents for what makes them happy means that the government does not know - hasn’t a clue. Is it going to use 52% of a common response as the basis for “national happiness” policy? What of the other 48%? Do many people even comprehend the question or even how to go about addressing it? Is this some sort of deranged government market-assessment exercise? What is the government trying to “sell”?

This all stinks of “State-approved/sponsored happiness” programs, control over constituents, and the death of individual autonomy – which we are already coming ever-closer to. The State should be told that as minimal interference as possible from the State would provide a good basis for individuals to pursue happiness as it makes sense to them: In other words, keep your snout out of where it does not belong.

As others have indicated, a reasonable approach to this governmental sticky-beaking is not how government can “produce happiness” but how its conduct (e.g., smoking bans) has inhibited or quashed the pursuit of happiness for a considerable portion of its constituents, conduct that it should immediately desist from.


Kelly

(Anonymous)
Michael Kelly has long previous. I recall reading, at the time he was provost, that he would not employ a person in his PR company if there was anyone in the candidate's family who smoked. Nice tolerance!
This kind of attitude fitted in very neatly you might think to the wonderfully tolerant world of Celtic/Rangers relationships when he joined the Celtic Board.
Celtic even disinterred him recently for a ceremonial appearance on a Newsnight 'debate' to demand the sacking of the Supervising Referee of the SFA, who had offended the club. Such are our politicians!

I can’t believe how many people on the ONS site have suggested such superficial, temporary things as “flexible working hours for parents” or “cheaper childcare facilities” as being important to their own happiness. Make life easier for a few years, yes; give parents a bit more time and money, yes. All very nice things. But the key to real, true underlying happiness? Do these things really "matter most" (as per the question) to people over and above things like "happy, healthy children," or "a secure, loving family life?" Jesus, it seems that the majority of Joe Public are even more inward-looking and superficial than I’ve thought in the past with their hand-to-mouth view of what real happiness is. I’ve long thought that the majority of the general public are a fairly dim-witted, small-minded, self-oriented, gullible lot, but the responses to this survey confirms it.

The Government will be rubbing their hands in glee at what they read on here. Throw the proles a few sweeties and they'll think all their problems are over …… (shakes head in despair)

http://pics.livejournal.com/frank_davis/pic/00062dkc

Isn't Michael Kelly a lucky person not to be near another person (perhaps like me) who has a few questions to ask with respect to smoker's rights?

"stop defending smokers rights - they have none"

Hahaha Kelly just let the cat out of the fucking bag there...

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